7/26/2012


Christopher Nolan's film The Dark Knight Rises is analyzed a thousand ways and there have been hundreds of interviews by the cast and crew. But there are still things to learn.

The recent book The Art and Making of The Dark Knight Trilogy has a ton of fascinating facts seen nowhere else on the Internet.

Here are 15 of the most interesting ones.

Update: Added number four. :)
1. Osama Bin Laden Almost Interrupted The Filming

The scenes with the prison pit were filmed in Jaipur Rajasthan, India near the Pakistan border. The shoot was already challenging based on bureaucracy, permits and safety concerns. But, two days prior to the shoot, American military forces killed al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in Pakistan. This raised tensions across the region. "The location was near an air base," Thomas said, "and we'd already had a lot of wrangling over permission to fly helicopters, which we'd wanted to use to shoot a big, aerial establishing shot of that fantastic terrain. But after Osama bin Laden was killed and the whole world was suddenly on high alert, we were denied that permission. There were a lot of headaches there, but it was all well worth it for the production value that we got."
(Update: A few have pointed out that the shooting location was Jodhpor, India and the Indian Times agrees. All I can say is the book quotes Nolan talking about Jaipur and doesn't list Jodhpor. For clarity though, I'll just say they filmed in Rajasthan. Both cities are in that location.)

2. No One Wanted Catwoman But Jonathan Nolan

Of the three writers, Christopher Nolan, Jonathan Nolan and David Goyer only Jonathan thought Catwoman (Anne Hathaway) would work. The other two thought she would be too campy. But Jonathan felt Batman's character arc wouldn't be complete without her. "I was a big advocate of that character," he said. "It seemed to me that if we're trying to create a complete arc for Batman, we couldn't do it without Cat-woman, and without that relationship between Catwoman and Batman." The others were not so convinced.

"We kept thinking about Eartha Kitt in the role," Goyer admitted, "which was not of the Christopher Nolan Batman universe at all." When Christopher thought about her character, he thought of the campy female characterizations from the television show and movies. Eartha Kitt was far from Nolan's vision of the Batman universe, but they found a way to make her interesting. In the end Nolan took it as a challenge. "I wasn’t sure how to illustrate that character in our world," Christopher Nolan added, "but it was an interesting challenge. And, for me, what clinched it was abandoning the idea of her costume persona. We said: 'Let’s look at her as a cat burglar, a grifter, a conwoman, and a real-life character. Let’s write that character; put her in the story, and trust that the theatrical elements of what makes her specifically Catwoman as opposed to any other cat burglar would evolve.'"

3. The Story Came First And Action Later

When Nolan and David developed Batman Begins and The Dark Knight they plotted action beats they needed and where they would be in the movie. In The Dark Knight Rises they wrote the story and characters and let the action develop naturally. "We absolutely resisted the idea of making The Dark Knight Rises bigger just because it was a third movie," said Goyer. "We didn't go into it saying that we were going to make an epic war movie, and then develop the story from that idea. It was decidedly the opposite of that. In fact, again, the first thing we came up with was the ending, which was very personal, and we wrote a beginning that also had Bruce Wayne in a very personal place. That's what we had when we started. It wasn't until a month or two into the writing process that things got very big and destructive in the middle."

4. They Were Afraid Catwoman Would Break Her Ankle

To play Catwoman, Anne Hathaway went through intense physical training. Christopher Nolan expected her to perform all the fights herself without using a stunt double. "He wanted to make sure that in addition to learning the fights, I would be strong enough to do them for hours or days on end," Hathaway stated. "So that was an opportunity to push myself in a way that I never had before. I worked out with my stunt woman, Maxine Whittaker, and she couldn’t have been more supportive."

Instead of using the feline inspired style of the 90s film Batman Returns, they used a more aggressive street fighting style. Hathaway impressed everyone by putting in some long and intense hours of training throughout the entire shoot. "A lot of people in this business just show up," co-stunt coordinator Tom Struthers said. "But that doesn't work on a Chris Nolan film, and I think he chooses people, including actors, whom he knows will work hard. I think part of the reason he chose Anne for this was because he knew she'd put everything she had into it —and she did. Anne worked exceptionally hard, and she continued to train and work hard until the very last day of filming." Interestingly, the greatest fear Struthers had watching her fight choreography was the four-inch heels. A misplaced kick or wrong move could have led to an ankle sprain, or worse, a break. Thankfully, even with all the kicks and spins, she never broke an ankle.

5. Bane's Underground Attack Was Symbolic Of Gotham's Hidden Evil

In the beginning of Dark Knight Rises Gotham City's crime rate is at a all-time low thanks to the "Dent Act." Named after the late District Attorney Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart), the city has been victorious against crime. Except that act was based on a lie of Dent's supposed heroism and the evil still lingered beneath the surface. An undercurrent of criminality and suffering still existed. "What was important in The Dark Knight Rises," said Christopher Nolan, "and what David and Jonah and I talked a lot about, was the idea that the victory at the end of The Dark Knight is based on a lie, and therefore, over time, they are just papering over the cracks. The underlying theme of The Dark Knight Rises is 'Truth will out,' the idea that though things seem better in Gotham, there is an evil beneath the surface that is going to bubble up. At some point—at Jonah's suggestion—we decided to literalize that metaphor and actually have a villain that is tunneling up from within the sewers of the city." Bane's subterranean attack on the city symbolizes the evil and corruption finally erupting to the surface.

6. "The Bat" Broke Nolan's "No Flying Machines" Rule

On both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Christopher Nolan and production designer Nathan Crowley said they wouldn't do the Batplane. They felt it was unrealistic. The Batpod motorcycle while "hard to realize" was based on sound logic. Then Nolan told Crowley "We're going to do flying machine in the Dark Knight Rises" Nathan was concerned. "My response was: 'Okay, but we said we'd never do a flying machine. How do we make that believable for the audience? And does this mean we're going to have to do it with CGI?' CGI has improved tenfold since Batman Begins, and so there was no question that they'd be able to do a CGI Bat that looked real—but we still had to give it a foundation that would make the audience believe it was real, rather than us just making it look real. So my first job in the garage for The Dark Knight Rises was designing the Bat, and figuring out how something like that would exist in our world." In the end he based it on various real-world vertical-takeoff-and-landing craft vehicles like Harrier Jump Jets and the V-22 Osprey.

7. Bane's Mask Was Designed To Look Different From Batman's Silhouette

While designing the mask using photographs of various bald actors like Marlon Brando and Terrance Stamp, Nolan and the designers realized his mask would be confusing. He needed a very different silhouette than Batman's.
"A lot of the film was going to take place in the dark, with Bane and fighting," costume designer Lindy Hemming explained, "and we couldn't have one black lump of a head fighting another black lump of a head. And so, to make sure they would be easily identifiable we had to make those two silhouettes—Batman's and Bane's—look completely different."

In the comic books Bane wore a Mexican-style wrestling mask known as a luchador. The designers began removing parts of the full head mask to make a simplified minimalist look. As the mask got smaller the tubing and devices became streamlined. "I'd been playing with all kinds of elaborate tubing and devices for the mask," said Hemming, "but all of that had to be streamlined, because as we made the mask smaller, there was no place to put it all.  So the mask was just reduced and reduced. I also wanted the mask to look animalistic, like something that might bite you, and so I referenced a lot of gorillas and spiders and the like."

8. They Invented A Football Team

In the comic books, Gotham City has a wide-variety of sports teams. Two baseball teams: the "Gotham Knights" and the "Gotham Griffins." A Basketball team: the "Gotham Guardsman." An Ice Hockey team called "The Gotham Blades." They even have two football teams called the "Gotham Wildcats" and "Gotham Knights." For the movie they decided to create a new football team. They took the name "Gotham Rogues" based on the name of Batman's core group of villains nicknamed the "Rogues Gallery." This also presented the costume designers with a unique challenge: dressing the players, coaches and fans. "We actually had to invent an entire football team for Gotham," said costume supervisor Dan Grace, "with uniforms that looked completely authentic and believable. We were very proud, in the end, to have created costumes for an entire football team, coaches, and twelve thousand extras

9. It Hurt Bane To Punch Batman

Tom Hardy did as much of his own fight choreography as he could, but he had a challenge with the fight scenes with Batman in costume. "They wanted to show that Batman was struggling as he fought Bane," Tom Hardy noted. "I love doing fight choreography in films because you get to look really tough, but it's not real and it doesn't really hurt! Well... it hurts sometimes. When you hit somebody in a Batsuit made of rubber and plastic, it hurts your fists. But it looks really good. You just do what you can, and whatever you can't do, the stuntmen do." Considering how hard he was punching Bale, he's one tough actor.

10. The Batcave Was Real

The Batcave was the only scene shot in a large sound-stage in Los Angeles. Normally, to make room for cameras and lighting, they create a partial set. However, the Batcave was a full 360 degree set to allow Nolan freedom to choose camera angles. Basically, they built a full-scale replica of the Batcave. Everyone in the crew felt the wonder of the set. Visual Effects Supervisor Paul Franklin said, "I was standing there, thinking: 'Wow! We're in the Batcave! It was thrilling, just because of the scope and scale of the set, and the fact that it was this iconic Batman setting. I got a kick from it every time I walked onto that set."

11. It Took Eight months To Prepare For Twelve Days of Shooting In NY

New York City was an important shoot for The Dark Knight Rises based on the city's history and the comic book parallels with Gotham City. But the logistics of shooting there were so complicated, that the producers and managers spent eight full months preparing for the twelve-day shoot. They shot in locations like Wall Street, the Brooklyn Bridge, and other locations. "It was a very daunting thing," said Nolan, "but it actually went very smoothly. We  found the authorities in New York to be extremely helpful, and we worked in a very efficient and reasonable way. Rather than try to do too much of New York, we just did those things that we felt would really benefit the scale of the movie. I'm very happy with what we were able to get there." The police were especially happy to escort the full scale model of the flying "Bat" through the streets of New York on cranes.

12. Bane Punched The Wrong Actors On Wall Street

The  massive clash on Wall Street culminated in a hand-to-hand fight between Bane and Batman. Tom Hardy said, with all the fighting actors in the scene, things got confusing. "It was a very confusing scene to shoot," Tom Hardy said. "Bane is looking for Batman, and then comes down the stairs, has six or seven contacts with police officers, and faces off with Batman to beat him up. And Batman is whaling through the mercenaries to get to Bane and beat him up. When we shot it the first time, there were so many police officers in the scene that I didn't know which seven I was supposed to hit! So I was just hitting anybody. And then, I was down in the crowd looking for Batman, and I couldn't see him anywhere; he was twenty feet over to my right, and he couldn't see me either. It was like, 'Hey, Batman, I'm over here!' 'Oh, okay.' So we had to reshoot that a few times."

13. The Dark Knight Rises Was The Fastest Shoot Of All Nolan's Batman Movies

The filming of the The Dark Knight Rises wrapped in New York on November 14, 2011. This was 118 days from the date of its start in May. This was eleven fewer days than it had taken to shoot Batman Begins, and nine fewer than The Dark Knight.  "A lot of it had to do with the fact that everybody really knew their stuff by then," noted co-producer Emma Thomas. "They'd done it all before. We'd made two movies before with the Batmobile, for example, so everyone knew what was involved in that. There were some new things added to it, but so much of it just worked by the time we got to this movie."

14. They Tried To to Make the Fights Violent, But Not Gruesome

There are two major fights between Bane and Batman in the film. The most shocking of them was the scene when Bane breaks Batman's back in the underground lair. This presented a challenge to the film to keep it from going too far. "It's very difficult to come across with something that has been depicted in comic books," said Struthers, "to bring it to the screen with real characters and actors. It's difficult to get that kind of violence on screen without getting into undue violence. It had to read well on screen, without making the audience disgusted by it—and I think we achieved that. It's pretty gruesome, but I don't think it will completely turn off the audience."

15. They Gave Away Prizes To Keep Extras From Leaving

The football stadium scene in Gotham City had twelve thousand extras. Most movies these days use CGI to fill in the crowd, but Nolan prefers to use real people. Unfortunately for the shoot, it's not uncommon for half the extras to leave before filming is complete.  Plus, the extras had to bundle up in scarves and heavy  coats in the hundred-plus-degree heat of a Pittsburgh summer to make people believe the scene's chilly late fall setting.

"It’s not uncommon to have five hundred extras at the start of the day, and have only two hundred by the middle." co-producer Jordan Goldberg said. "For this scene in Pittsburgh, we needed more than ten  thousand extras, and if a half or a third of them left by midday, we would have been in real trouble, because we were  in a football stadium and everyone was going to be in view. But it was a tough order to expect thousands of people to  stick around for a whole long day of shooting."

To keep the crowd engaged between the long, boring hot times between filming they raffled off prizes like iPads and a car. They also had the Batmobile-like "Tumblers" show up even though they weren't needed for the scenes.

Did you learn anything? What was your favorite scene in The Dark Knight Rises?
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Update: Corrected typos and grammatical errors. Thanks to those who pointed them out.

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40 comments:

Alex J. Cavanaugh said...

I bet it hurt to punch Batman! That suit is tough.
And I'd really like my own Batcave. Probably show movies in it or something.

S. L. Hennessy said...

I have a lot of respect for this film. Both the end product, which was amazing, as well as the filming of it. I appreciate the decisions to use real extras, and I really appreciate the violent but not gratuitous fight scenes. Much appreciation from someone who has difficulty with blood.

jeremy [retro-zombie] said...

i have to see it again, where i didn't gun a large cherry coke... having the need to go to the bathroom for an hour, just so i wouldn't miss a thing... on the happier note, great post of things i was not aware of... other than cat woman was hot... h o t...

Pat Dilloway said...

Filming a movie, especially an action blockbuster, seems so difficult with all the moving parts that it's hard to believe they ever get made, let alone looking good.

Marco Marco said...

this is fourteen.

Melissa Bradley said...

Cool trivia! I remember watching all the Dark Knight filming here in Chicago. What a fun time that was.

Jeremy Bates said...

The TV series "Friday Night Lights" used the same method to keep extras in the stands for their football games. In addition, they fed the extras hotdogs and pizzas.

I did not like the mask on Bane. It look too unnatural to me. But, it is likely that I really didn't like it because at times during the flick, Bane was difficult to understand.

I did not know they shot some scenes near the Paki border. Interesting.

When I first saw the Bat, the first thing that popped into my head was a USMC Harrier. They did good on that.

Good post. I learned some future trivia.

james said...

Ha! That's true! Where's number 4?

Pappy said...

Number 10 reads: "The Batcave was th only stage-set". You're missing an 'e'! Also could you clarify. What is a tumbler and what did they bring them on for?

davidddddd said...

The tumbler is the official name of the batmobile (watch batman begins again) and they were used to entice the extras to stay.

david said...

This guy needs to learn to count...

Christina Kapaun said...

Well the design of the football uniforms and merch was not THAT much of a challange. They look very much like The Steelers, which makes a lot of sense because ..... they were The Steelers ;)

More Trivia said...

One of the prisoners in the trailer (when they're all marching out with their guns in the air) has his gun held backwards.

Will Mullane said...

Lazarus pit scenes were filmed in Jodhpur, India not Jaipur. I have been to both and actually saw the set piece that was built for the movie beside Mehrangarh Fort in Jodhpur.

dangerdj said...

They filmed in Jodhpur not Jaipur.

Maurice Mitchell said...

Updated with an additional #4. ;)

Maurice Mitchell said...

Thanks for the comment dangerdj. The book lists Jaipur as the shooting location. It seems that they are both in the same region of Rajasthan (about 330km away from each other) so I think both locations are correct. I updated the post to clarify.

Aaron said...

Yeah that guy did a Q&A on reddit. He did it so he'd know which one was him when he sees it.

asdf said...

The city in India was Jodhpur. Both Jodhpur and Jaipur are in Rajasthan. The fort shown was Mehrangarh, which is in Jodhpur, and you can also see the blue buildings in one shot -- Jodhpur is known as the blue city. I'm positive, because I was there less than two months ago.

Tony Laplume said...

Clearly you've got some new readers for this one. And I get to stroll in after all their editing suggestions...

derp said...

little self serving?

MovieSuperFreak said...

Item #4 is missing from the list

MovieSuperFreak said...

nevermind...i see it now

Maurice Mitchell said...

Thanks MovieSuperFreak. I didn't even notice it the first time.

Colin "Fitz" Biggs said...

Cool list.


I can imagine that was difficult enough going through mass fight scenes without Tom Hardy accidentally punching you. XD

Maurice Mitchell said...

I know right Colin? "Wait! I'm not Batman! Ouch!

Aditya Iyer said...

it was shot at Jodhpur’s Mehrangar Fort here in India. Both Jodhpur and Jaipur are cities in the state of Rajasthan but both are pretty far away from the pakistan border

Maurice Mitchell said...

Thanks for the info Aditya!

Maurice Mitchell said...

I'd probably do the same thing ;)

Aristo Kratte said...

Like the list, but the football team isn't "based on the name of Batman's core group of villains nicknamed the "Rogues Gallery." That's because Batman's core group of villains is NOT nicknamed the Rogues Gallery. They actually are a rogues gallery. A 'Rogues Gallery' is something in police stations to ID criminals based on their previous criminal activity. A rogues gallery is just that: a list of villains or criminals, its not a nickname. So Batman's rogues gallery includes not only the core villains (Joker, Riddler, Bane), but all of them (Jane Doe, Killer Moth) etc. Going along those lines, Spiderman's Rogues Gallery includes Venom, Dr. Octopus, Green Goblin and Lizard. Superman's includes Lex Luthor, Braniac, and Bizarro, the X-Men's includes Magneto, Mr. Sinister, Sebastian Shaw, etc.

Maurice Mitchell said...

Good point Aristo. I was actually referring to the fact that the group is referred to as "Batman's Rogue Gallery." At least that's how the book put it. I can see it being confusing though. Thanks for your comment!



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Anthony Anguiano said...

Other than Batman defeating Bane, the scene in the plane was one of the most incredible things I had ever seen in my entire life. There was nothing digital about the plane scene either, it was all live action. Maybe if the world of movies progresses enough, you could say that we won't need CGI anymore

Maurice Mitchell said...

Good point Aristo. I was actually referring to the fact that the group is referred to as "Batman's Rogue Gallery." At least that's how the book put it. I can see it being confusing though. Thanks for your comment!



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Jojo Michael Lapinou said...

The shot when the wings of the plane are being wrecked is CGI indeed. Learn your fact straight, there's plenty of CGI in this movie. Did you really believe The Bat was dodging missiles while swinging between NYC buildings was shot practicaly without digital effects? Please...

Ranajit Mehroke said...

They have it. Just google up bat cave in images and you'll see an offer to build a bat cave theater for 2 million. Complete with bat suit and bat mobile

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Allison Zoie said...

A debt of gratitude is in order regarding the remark dangerdj. The book records Jaipur as the shooting area. It appears that they are both in the same district of Rajasthan (something like 330km far from one another) so I suppose both areas are right. I overhauled the post to clear up.

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